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    Eric Gigliotti
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    Obama creating a commission for "real gun talk"

    Post by Eric Gigliotti on Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:59 pm

    I think this is quite ridiculous. Our founders intended us to be armed with guns that could be used against foreign and domestic armies. To deny us the ownership of "assault weapons" is to destroy the intent behind the 2nd Amendment.

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    "The governor is constitutionally the commander of the militia of the State, that is to say, of every man in it able to bear arms."
    "No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."

    Richard Henry Lee
    "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms."

    Noah Webster
    "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States"

    George Washington
    "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good"

    George Mason
    "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials."

    Alexander Hamilton
    "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."

    James Burgh
    "No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion."
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    Re: Obama creating a commission for "real gun talk"

    Post by SilverStar Cross on Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:24 pm

    We can't get rid of the 2nd Amendment outright, we may as well admit we have deathwishes if we allow the 2nd Amendment to die off, outright.

    Place the Armed Veterans to defend our Schools, it would better serve whatever resources we have left if anything.
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    Re: Obama creating a commission for "real gun talk"

    Post by Pocket Rocket on Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:21 am

    That whole school shooting issue sure has caused quite a lot.


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    Re: Obama creating a commission for "real gun talk"

    Post by SilverStar Cross on Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:30 am

    Pocket Rocket wrote:That whole school shooting issue sure has caused quite a lot.

    I doubt it would be the 1st time something like this caused no small amount of psychological tormoil, its not looking like it'll be the last either.
    Its probably the 1st one to do so at such a massive scale, though, hence why they should place the Armed Veterans to defend the schools.


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    Re: Obama creating a commission for "real gun talk"

    Post by Mister Teal on Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:21 am

    I don't follow this stuff much, what do you all think of the recent restrictions in NY and what not?
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    Re: Obama creating a commission for "real gun talk"

    Post by Pocket Rocket on Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:55 am

    Probably won't end well.


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    Re: Obama creating a commission for "real gun talk"

    Post by SilverStar Cross on Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:47 pm

    Pocket Rocket wrote:Probably won't end well.

    Like I said and not to come across as a Broken Record necessarily, not the 1st time ever something like this has happened, just the 1st time a mess like this happens at the scale we're talking.

    Hopefully the 2nd Amendment won't get slain altogether because getting rid of the 2nd amendment may as well be asking for a suicide wish, really.
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    Re: Obama creating a commission for "real gun talk"

    Post by Soulerous on Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:35 pm

    I am of the belief that the backlash against firearms is emotional. A perfectly reasonable belief, if I may say. A bunch of people, including children, get gunned down. That's a terrible and sad thing, and the response of people is "stop it from happening again."

    Some say the sick, disturbed people responsible need to be treated and prevented from getting the firearms. Others say let's just restrict firearms in general, as that's more assured control. The first group says the disturbed ones will find a way to kill regardless, be it knives or bombs, and also that crime is statistically prevented when citizens are armed due to the criminals' fear of getting shot. The second group answers: That was obviously not enough to stop the school and theater massacres.

    But there are still two ways to do so, and one of them carries larger drawbacks.

    It is clear that guns are a powerful tool that can be used for evil, but they are not required for it, and can prevent it besides. Prevention is the primary reason for our right to bear arms. Terrible situations that provoke the emotional response "just stop it from happening again" can be prevented by extreme gun restrictions at the cost of bolder criminals and higher crime rates, deaths, and an inability to rise against tyranny, should that ever again be necessary. Or it can be prevented by making sure only mentally and emotionally healthy people get guns, at the cost of convenience.

    I'd rather lose convenience, personally.

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